Follow these procedures to get maximum gain before feedback
Place equipment & make connections.
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a. Patch your FBX1200 or FBX2400 into system and make all connec-
tions (refer to pages 2 and 3 for connection options).
b. Place speakers and microphones in performance positions.
c. Set Input and Output levels on FBX back panel (see Section 5.1.1.
for details). Start with all buttons pushed in.
d. If you are using a graphic EQ, adjust only for the desired tonal
qualities, but DO NOT NOTCH FOR FEEDBACK.
e. Adjust the level for each mixer channel, and set the sound system’s
master volume to minimum.
Push SETUP button until all LEDs stop flashing and the
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SETUP light flashes on its own.
Dynamic filters. Do not use Setup mode during your performance.
Slowly raise the gain on the mixer or amp until the FBX
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eliminates the first few feedback tones.
DO NOT TALK INTO THE MICS. The FBX will quickly begin to find and
remove feedback. The first Fixed filter set will be heard as a quiet feedback
chirp and shown as an amber LED. As you slowly raise the gain, more
feedback chirps will be heard, and more amber LEDs will light.
a. If you are using stationary microphones:
Continue raising the gain until all filter LEDs cycle back and forth in
sequence. This is your indication that the FBX is exiting setup mode.
IMPORTANT: Reduce gain slightly. You are now in READY (perfor-
mance) mode, with the Fixed filters locked and the blue Ready
light on. Begin the show!
b. If you are using wireless microphones:
You can get more gain in a variety of locations. To do this, lower the system
gain after the first few filters are set, then move the microphone to another
area where it will be used and raise the gain slowly as before. Repeat this
process while you continue raising the gain until all filter LEDs cycle
back and forth in sequence. This is your indication that the FBX is exiting
setup mode.
IMPORTANT: Reduce gain slightly. You are now in READY (perfor-
mance) mode, with the Fixed filters locked and the blue Ready
light on. Begin the show!
c.
You may quit Setup mode at any time prior to its automatic exit by simply
pressing the READY button (blue READY LED will flash). Press it again at
any time to lock the Fixed filters (blue READY LED stays on). Whether locked
or unlocked, pressing the READY button before Setup mode automatically
finishes will enable ready-to-operate status, but with fewer fixed FBX filters in
place. Dynamic FBX filters are still available to eliminate new feedback, re-
gardless of how or when SETUP mode is exited. Begin the show!
If you do not have time to use Setup Mode:
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Push the READY button — the blue LED flashes indicating the fixed filters
are unlocked. Begin your show, and once several fixed filters are set we
recommend you lock them by pushing ready again (blue LED stays lit). You
won’t get all the potential benefit of increased gain before feedback, but you
will get automatic feedback control during your performance.
Setup mode clears all Fixed &
Power Tips
a. Set up one FBX channel at a time.
b. DO NOT TALK INTO YOUR SYS-
TEM while in Setup mode.
c. See Section 5.2. FBX Filter Con-
trol for information on:
• Changing the number of Fixed
vs. Dynamic filters
• Selecting and mixing 1/10- &
1/5-octave filters
• Enabling and setting the Dy-
namic Filter Timer
Front panel filter LEDs
lighting as gain is raised
and Fixed filters are set.
FILTER COLOR KEY
FBX Filters
LEDs
Fixed, Locked
RED
Steady BLUE
Fixed, Unlocked
AMBER
Flashing BLUE
Dynamic
GREEN
Either
Fixed & Dynamic Filters
See Section 4.1.3. for details on
the differences between Fixed and
Dynamic FBX filters, and Section
5.2.2. for instructions on changing
the balance of Fixed versus Dy-
namic filters.
LIT-FBX1200/2400-OP-EN-050817.pmd — rr
Ready LED
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#1
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 23 февраля 2009 — 15:26
Всем привет!
Итак, обратились ко мне по поводу прибора подавления обратной связи. Естесвенно для микрофона на концертах. Голос мужской. Хотим, говорят как у Агутина. Фиг знает, каким именно пользуется Агутин, но я из ныне выпускаемых нашёл только SHURE DFR22, SHURE DFR11EQ, DBX AFS 224, SABINE FBX 2400. Бехринжеры и Альто не в счёт. Бюджет 1000-2000$.
Господа, кто-нибудь в курсе сего чуда, в смысле концертного подавления обратной связи? Понятно, что и эквалайзеры, и ин-эиры можно там по всякому задействовать. Но интересует именно спец.прибор!
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#2
Кирилл Днепр
Кирилл Днепр
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- Location:г.Днепропетровск
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 00:59
Tigr-leo, Feb 23 2009, 04:26 PM, написал:
Всем привет!
Итак, обратились ко мне по поводу прибора подавления обратной связи. Естесвенно для микрофона на концертах. Голос мужской. Хотим, говорят как у Агутина. Фиг знает, каким именно пользуется Агутин, но я из ныне выпускаемых нашёл только SHURE DFR22, SHURE DFR11EQ, DBX AFS 224, SABINE FBX 2400. Бехринжеры и Альто не в счёт. Бюджет 1000-2000$.
Господа, кто-нибудь в курсе сего чуда, в смысле концертного подавления обратной связи? Понятно, что и эквалайзеры, и ин-эиры можно там по всякому задействовать. Но интересует именно спец.прибор!
Может не стоит мучиться, а позвонить Роберту и узнать какой именно у неготам в рэке стоит прибор.
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#3
Tigr-leo
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 01:50
Кирилл Днепр, Feb 24 2009, 12:59 AM, написал:
Может не стоит мучиться, а позвонить Роберту и узнать какой именно у неготам в рэке стоит прибор.
К сожалению я не знаю Роберта, да и в Питере живём А может быть вы подскажите его электронный адрес почты или аси, уважаемый?
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#4
Batya
Batya
- Gender:Male
- Location:Смаленск
- Interests:Радомир,Толстой,Высоцкий
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 10:20
Tigr-leo, Feb 23 2009, 03:26 PM, написал:
Господа, кто-нибудь в курсе сего чуда, в смысле концертного подавления обратной связи? Понятно, что и эквалайзеры, и ин-эиры можно там по всякому задействовать. Но интересует именно спец.прибор!
……сабины оч.эфективны но как и все подобные беспощадны к звуку……за свою практику переюзали оных Н-ое количество, в итоге: выкинули все……. если не пользуете инэйры, то безальтернативный вариант: хорошие мониторы и…….эквалайзеры
З.Ы. имха: ставить в главную систему любые подобные дивайсы — мазахизм
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#5
алесковский алексей
алесковский алексей
- Gender:Male
- Location:Москва. +79037988486
- Interests:Мы переехали https://www.facebook.com/groups/501727463210709/
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 10:24
to Batya — полностью согласен. Обратную связь он подавляет. но такое д…из звука получается…
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#6
клим
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 10:49
DBX срабатывает быстро, но тупо заполняет все фильтры, сабин медленее отрабатывает, но точнее, доводит уже сработовшие фильтры.
У меня стоят сабин на мониторах и ДбХ на хоровой подгруппе. На солиста я бы не советовал ставить.
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#7
Tigr-leo
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 16:32
Спасибо! Я и сам понимаю, что да как, но хотят товарищи попробовать, их право. Как бы всё-таки узнать, какой прибор стоит у Агутина?
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#8
VKK
Опубликовано 24 февраля 2009 — 21:19
Есть Sabine FBXSolo SM-820. Продам или поменяюсь на что-нибудь.
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#9
Tigr-leo
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 25 февраля 2009 — 12:25
Спасибо, но прибор нужен новый
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#10
Tigr-leo
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 26 февраля 2009 — 00:35
up!
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#11
Tigr-leo
Tigr-leo
- Location:Санкт-Петербург
Опубликовано 26 февраля 2009 — 18:00
up2!
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#12
showman
showman
- Gender:Male
- Location:Moscow
- Interests:Радиостанция «Под ключ», автоматизация вещания, техподдержка. Telos, Omnia, Axia.
Опубликовано 26 февраля 2009 — 19:27
www.toursound.ru
Там есть райдеры, в т.ч. и Агутина, про микрофон там ничего не написано, но нужная информация для Вас имеется.
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FBX2400 / 1200 Series The New FBX Feedback Exterminators : ® with SMARTFilter™ Technology ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ SMARTFilter Technology Super-fast Automatic Feedback Control Quick and Quiet Setup Accurately distinguishes music from feedback Places filters with 1 Hz resolution Transparent – leaves your sound clear and untouched Provides more gain before feedback (6 to 9dB typical) 24-bit Digital Resolution Three-color LED filter display 12 Filters per channel Flexible Filter Controls Timed or Manual Dynamic Filter Reset XLR & ¼” TRS inputs/outputs Unbelievable new price! Of all the problems you can have with your audio system, nothing is more obvious or annoying to the audience than feedback. You do not need “Golden Ears” to know something is wrong. Thanks to the Sabine FBX Feedback Exterminator, this problem is solved. The FBX makes a significant improvement in your sound – it's a difference you can really hear. Quite simply the FBX gives you the single most important function of sound reinforcement: gain before feedback. And that gain comes with increased clarity and all the mobility you need for ® your wireless microphones... Since Sabine first invented digital feedback control in 1991, FBX Feedback Exterminators have set the standard for transparent and reliable automatic feedback control. Now Sabine is proud to announce the next generation of automatic feedback controllers: the FBX1200 and FBX2400, now with SMARTFilter™ technology. The Power of FBX The power of the FBX with SMARTFilters lies in its ability to control feedback during the program, not just at setup time. If feedback occurs during that crucial moment of the show, in the middle of the big solo, or just when the worship leader begins the sermon, the FBX places a filter that only kills the feedback, not the sound and power you work so hard to achieve. Think of the FBX as a very advanced set of automatic parametric filters. If you had the time, the filters, and the test equipment, you could find the feedback frequencies, dial in the precise filter location, and make a very narrow filter, just deep enough to remove the offending tone. The FBX does it all for you automatically, and it does it faster than any other method. How do we do it? First let’s consider just how a superior feedback control filter should behave. Filters can be described by their Speed, Accuracy, Resolution, and Sonic Integrity. SPEED: The industry’s best digital signal processors that run the SMARTFilter algorithm give the new FBX1200 and 2400 a distinct speed advantage over all other automatic feedback controllers. And in Setup Mode the speed is increased, so you can complete your entire setup of the FBX in less than 30 seconds. During the show the 24-bit FBX is constantly on the watch for feedback, never allowing it to ruin your show. Filters are placed almost immediately (in 0.4 seconds at 1 KHz). Speed of feedback elimination, shown as amplitude over time: The top chart shows the speed of a competitor. Note slow reaction time and longer time to eliminate the feedback. The bottom section shows the much faster FBX. ACCURACY: Is it music or is it feedback? This is the most difficult question your feedback controller must answer. A wrong decision means you waste filters (less gain for you) and punch unnecessary holes in your sound. The FBX has always excelled in its ability to make the right decision, and the new SMARTFilter technology makes it even better. Less sophisticated feedback controllers place filters on any loud tone, even if it is music, but the FBX uses a patented analysis of the harmonic content of your program material. Because feedback is low in harmonics, and music and speech are rich in harmonics, the FBX is able to make the correct and accurate answer to the music or feedback question. RESOLUTION: This is a big one. Now that we know feedback is happening, we need to target it precisely. Many feedback controllers place their filters in the general vicinity of the feedback and then widen the filters until the feedback goes away. The FBX uses a more sophisticated solution. It centers the filter exactly on the frequency that is feeding back. This unique one-Hertz resolution enables the FBX to control feedback with transparent filters that are ten times narrower than graphic equalizer filters, which can only muster 31 spots to place their very wide filters. Feedback frequencies are single tones, and that means there can be almost 20,000 places for them to occur in the audio spectrum. You can see that using a feedback control device with less resolution is like shooting a fly with a shotgun. You may eventually get that fly, but it will take a lot of shooting and cause a lot of damage! In contrast, the FBX1200 and 2400 place these accurately chosen filters with one Hz resolution. This means a direct hit on a single feedback tone – every time. Filter quality: True Constant Q filters maintain width at any depth when measured at the -3 dB power point. Sabine uses this most rigorous method for computing filter width. S O N I C I N T E G R I T Y : Sabine’s innovative approach to digital filtering is unique in the industry. Our filters just sound better, with far less phase distortion and a smoother response. Sabine filters maintain their integrity at all depths, providing true Constant Q performance. Some competitors tout the benefits of more filters, but why add more filters than you need? The FBX processor could easily produce 50 filters if we wanted them, but they would only degrade your sound. Our experience proves that twelve feedback filters per channel is the right number. More filters just cut into the quality of your sound. The New FBX Feedback Exterminators®: with SMARTFilter™ Technology Three-color LED Display: Amber for unlocked fixed, Red for locked fixed, & Green for dynamic filters. FBX FILTERS COME IN TWO FLAVORS: Fixed and Dynamic. Both filters are placed the same way: Feedback is detected and the filter is placed just deep enough to eliminate it. The difference comes after the filter is placed. Fixed filters remain on the initially detected feedback tone – they do not move. These filters provide Some competitors tout ever narrower filters. The FBX processor can easily produce filters that are 1/100 of an octave wide, but our experience teaches us that filters narrower than 1/10 of an octave allow the feedback to return with very little provocation. Sabine filters are transparent to the ear and offer the ideal balance of width and protection against feedback under shifting conditions. Making them narrower ultimately degrades their performance, and we won’t do it. Faster Setup… The FBX1200 and 2400 give you the easiest, fastest, and quietest setup procedure. In less than 30 seconds you will be ready to begin your performance, and the whole process is so quiet you can almost do it without anyone knowing it is happening! the initial maximum gain before feedback and are set automatically during setup. Dynamic filters can release and move to new feedback frequencies and are for adaptive feedback control during the performance. Factory default is 9 fixed and 3 dynamic, but this is easily changed using front panel controls. …and a Bright Display After the super-fast setup is complete the bright blue LED on the Ready button clearly tells you the show can begin, and you’ve got all the extra gain you need. You have complete control of the mix between filter types (see the Fixed and Dynamic Filter box above), and the bright, three-color LED display shows you your filter status at all times – you can see it from across the room! The Bottom Line Even with all the improvements of SMARTFilters, and the improved specs and audio performance, perhaps the best news is that we lowered the price! And the FBX Feedback Exterminator is made in the USA. Call us or head to your nearest Sabine dealer and try the new FBX for yourself. You will hear your sound and nothing else! Applications Guide WHERE TO PATCH THE FBX ■ For feedback control across the entire mix, patch the FBX between the mixer and the power amp. ■ For feedback control on one input channel or sub-group, patch the FBX at the insert point. Choose this setup for targeted feedback control on selected microphones – highly recommended. Total Control: FBX2400 controlling feedback for the whole mix in both mains and monitors. Patched between mixer and power amps. WHERE TO USE THE FBX The FBX provides more gain before feedback in mains and monitors for voice and instruments in: Targeted Control: FBX1200 controlling feedback in one input channel, or one group of channels. Patched at insert point. ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ Theaters & Concert Halls Worship Centers Schools & Auditoriums Conference Rooms & Board Rooms Sports Arenas & Broadcast Stations Teleconferencing & Paging Systems Worldwide Users of FBX AALBORG KONGRESS HALL (Denmark) UNITED NATIONS HEADQUARTERS THE VATICAN KOREAN BROADCAST SYSTEM TORWAR ARENA (Warsaw, Poland) WESTIN BONAVENTURE HOTEL WALT DISNEY COMPANY WILLIE NELSON CONGRESS INNSBRUCK Austrian government CENTRAL LUTHERAN CHURCH ELECTROTEC GUND ARENA Cleveland Cavaliers CENTURY CLUB, L.A. BANGKOK UNIVERSITY (Thailand) PAUL McCARTNEY WAYLON JENNINGS MEADOWLANDS EXPOSITION CENTER SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION LONE STAR AMPHITHEATER AMERICAN MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY R.A.I. CONGRESS CENTRE (The Netherlands) WAVELENGTH HIRE COMPANY (Australia) BRYZA HOTEL (Poland) NASA SWACKHAMMER'S, Spokane, WA JACOB JAVITZ CONVENTION CENTER NEW ORLEANS JAZZ FESTIVAL THE LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN BROOKLYN BOTANICAL GARDENS DAYTONA BEACH ASSEMBLY HALL CHURCH HOUSE, WESTMINSTER (England) MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY NATIONAL BOWLING STADIUM HEWLETT PACKARD AMOCO CORPORATION AUSTRIAN FEDERAL BROADCAST CITY TV (Toronto) LOS ANGELES SHAKESPEARE FESTIVAL UNIVERSAL STUDIOS UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IOWA STATE EDUCATION SYSTEM MTV LATINA U.S. DISTRICT COURT ROSE BOWL GRAND MOSQUE (Oman) HEWLETT PACKARD NEW ENGLAND AQUARIUM CANADIAN BROADCAST COMPANY CBS STUDIOS ORLANDO ARENA AIR FORCE BAND TAVERN ON THE GREEN THE ROTUNDA, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA CAIRO OPERA HOUSE IOWA STATE EDUCATION SYSTEM HYATT REGENCY SAN FRANCISCO BOEING TEST LABS LAMBEAU STADIUM, GREEN BAY IMPACT AUDIO DR. JOHN MUSEUM OF FLIGHT, SEATTLE MINGEI INTERNATIONAL FOLK ART MUSEUM NBC STUDIOS LOS ANGELES UNITED ARTISTS THEATERS ST. MARY'S CATHEDRAL NAVY SEA LIFT VESSELS AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL PARLIAMENT AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGE LOCKHEED MARTIN FBX1200 and 2400 Engineering Specifications INPUT/OUTPUT Input/Output Maximum Signal Levels: Balanced +27dBV peak, unbalanced +21 dBV peak Output Drive: Unit will perform as specified driving a load >600 Ohms Input Impedance: Balanced or unbalanced >40K Ohms, PIN 2 high Output Impedance: Balanced or unbalanced 150 Ohms nominal, PIN 2 high Bypass: True power off bypass Headroom: +23 dB peak @ 4 dBV nominal input, balanced I/O Connectors: XLR-3 and 1/4” TRS PERFORMANCE** Frequency response: 20 Hz - 20 KHz +/- 0.3 dB Gain matching: +/- 0.2 dB Spectral Variation: + .25 dB, 20 Hz to 20 KHz SNR - Dynamic Range: >100 dB One-year limited warranty Patented † Other Patents Pending Made in USA THD: .005% at 1 KHz < 0.01% 20 Hz - 10 KHz < 0.025% 10 KHz - 20 KHz Dynamic Range: >105 dB POWER INPUT 115 VAC: 100 - 130 VAC 50/60 Hz 230 VAC: 200 - 240 VAC 50/60 Hz FUSE 115 VAC, 0.1 A, 10 W, 0.160 A SB fuse 230 VAC, 0.06A, 10 W, 0.160 A SB fuse DIMENSIONS 1-U rack mount; 19 x 1.75 x 6.25 in. nominal (rack mountable); 48.3 x 4.5 x 15.9 cm nominal WEIGHT 8.0 lbs. (3.6 kg) nominal OPERATING TEMPERATURE Safe operating temperature: -15 to +50 degrees centigrade ambient temperature (5 to 122F) *Below approximately 200 Hz the feedback filters become slightly wider to increase the feedback and rumble capture speed at these low frequencies. **Tests performed using an Audio Precision System One model 322 or equal. ® Complete Operating Guide available at our website www.Sabine.com 13301 Highway 441 Alachua, Florida 32615-8544 USA Tel: (386) 418-2000 Fax: (386) 418-2001 †FBX and FBX Feedback Exterminator are registered trademarks of Sabine, Inc., and are the brand names of its line of automatic feedback controllers. Covered by U.S. Patent No. 5,245,665, Australian Patent No. 653,736, German Patent No. 69118486.0, U.K. Patent No. 0486679, and Canadian Patent No. 2,066,624-2. Other patents pending. © 2004 Sabine, Inc. LIT-FBX1224-EN 040514 FILTERS 12 independent digital notch filters per channel, controlled automatically from 40 Hz to 20 KHz. Filter width: user-controllable – either 1/10 or 1/5 octave*, constant “Q” Resolution: 1 Hz Time required to find and eliminate feedback: 0.4 seconds, typical @ 1 KHz Number of Dynamic vs. Fixed filters per channel: user selectable. Last configuration stored in memory. Dynamic Filter Timer: Resets dynamic filters in 1, 5, 30, or 60 minutes
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